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		<title>By: Paul Rushing Convicted Felon - Bullshit &#124; Who is Paul Rushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Rushing Convicted Felon - Bullshit &#124; Who is Paul Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when an automotive SEO consultant accused me of &#8220;defaming&#8221; him when I pointed out in an automotive seo post that some of the things he was claiming were false and misleading and I still stand by that.  I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Rushing</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/automotive-seo-marketing/automotive-seo-facts-and-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-2982</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason the real question is how long will youtube allow stuff like that to remain?

Surely they like the free content but there are a lot better ways to use youtube as a marketing channel than spamming them with crappy vids.

btw - Took you advice and activated the plugin.  I am working on a redesign as time allows and just not sure how everything will work together when I port the content over to a different server.

Thanks for your input</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason the real question is how long will youtube allow stuff like that to remain?</p>
<p>Surely they like the free content but there are a lot better ways to use youtube as a marketing channel than spamming them with crappy vids.</p>
<p>btw &#8211; Took you advice and activated the plugin.  I am working on a redesign as time allows and just not sure how everything will work together when I port the content over to a different server.</p>
<p>Thanks for your input</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Lancaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Lancaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll go ahead and toss out a grenade as well...the user experience of a crappy, animated still photo used car promo with a Max Headroom voice-over is obviously low, just as you said. No one should expect one of those videos to &quot;sell&quot; anything. Still, the concept of manipulating search results with all forms of content - even crappy used car videos uploaded to YouTube - shouldn&#039;t be discounted. At this point, there&#039;s no reason NOT to do it. While I think your argument that some consumers will find this form of advertising obnoxious has some legs, isn&#039;t that the case with all forms of advertising? I say go for it - it&#039;s not going to hurt you ever, and who knows - maybe someone will find your inventory on YouTube and hook up for a full-pop deal. If nothing else, it gives you a chance to get your name in front of someone. I just hope any dealers reading this aren&#039;t paying much (if anything) for that service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll go ahead and toss out a grenade as well&#8230;the user experience of a crappy, animated still photo used car promo with a Max Headroom voice-over is obviously low, just as you said. No one should expect one of those videos to &#8220;sell&#8221; anything. Still, the concept of manipulating search results with all forms of content &#8211; even crappy used car videos uploaded to YouTube &#8211; shouldn&#8217;t be discounted. At this point, there&#8217;s no reason NOT to do it. While I think your argument that some consumers will find this form of advertising obnoxious has some legs, isn&#8217;t that the case with all forms of advertising? I say go for it &#8211; it&#8217;s not going to hurt you ever, and who knows &#8211; maybe someone will find your inventory on YouTube and hook up for a full-pop deal. If nothing else, it gives you a chance to get your name in front of someone. I just hope any dealers reading this aren&#8217;t paying much (if anything) for that service.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rushing</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/automotive-seo-marketing/automotive-seo-facts-and-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-2940</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input Al.  Google has set some pretty strict guidelines on having google base listings to show in the search verticals and none of the distribution partners other than ebay is meeting them.

You have to have a shopping cart application on the inventory item for listing to show in the search verticals.

Also unless you are setting the url to point back to the inventory item directly on your site you are sending visitors on your cars to another website and not your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input Al.  Google has set some pretty strict guidelines on having google base listings to show in the search verticals and none of the distribution partners other than ebay is meeting them.</p>
<p>You have to have a shopping cart application on the inventory item for listing to show in the search verticals.</p>
<p>Also unless you are setting the url to point back to the inventory item directly on your site you are sending visitors on your cars to another website and not your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to wade in on this google Base discussion just a little:

First, while it is true that Google Base is in Beta, the fact is that it has been there in some form for over 5 years that I am aware of.  Google has struggled finding a place and fuunctionality for Google Base as have many long term SEO practitioners such as myself.

Second, Google does say that it will take content, product listings, etc. and that they may appear in the standard rankings, but they do not guarantee it and the results have been very sporadic for even e-commerce applicable products.

Third, people do not tend to use Google&#039;s vertical searches much at all, including the Shopping choice.  This is why Google went to Universal Search Results to automatically serve the vertical search results in situations where it is helpful.

All in all, Google Base is something that I would utilize since it is free, but nothing that I would count on at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to wade in on this google Base discussion just a little:</p>
<p>First, while it is true that Google Base is in Beta, the fact is that it has been there in some form for over 5 years that I am aware of.  Google has struggled finding a place and fuunctionality for Google Base as have many long term SEO practitioners such as myself.</p>
<p>Second, Google does say that it will take content, product listings, etc. and that they may appear in the standard rankings, but they do not guarantee it and the results have been very sporadic for even e-commerce applicable products.</p>
<p>Third, people do not tend to use Google&#8217;s vertical searches much at all, including the Shopping choice.  This is why Google went to Universal Search Results to automatically serve the vertical search results in situations where it is helpful.</p>
<p>All in all, Google Base is something that I would utilize since it is free, but nothing that I would count on at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes when I search google base for Honda Accord Phoenix AZ is see a ton of cars including bell Honda.  

Also when I search autobase.com in Google Base I see thousands of listings.  That would imply that autobase is already distributing it for them.

Now when I search for Honda Accord Phoenix AZ in the google shopping search which is powered by google base I do not see any cars for Bell Honda or otherwise.

http://www.google.com/products?q=Honda+Accord+Phoenix+AZ&amp;hl=en

People shopping on Google are going to use the shopping engine not drill down into google base to look for that elusive car.  

You can test all you want but until listings meet the guidelines they will not show in the search engine results pages or the shopping engine.

Get cars to populate like Axle Shafts then you have done something with value.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulrushing/3282111357/&quot; title=&quot;Google Base in the SEPS by parushing, on Flickr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/3282111357_97c754ce2a_o.png&quot; width=&quot;464&quot; height=&quot;272&quot; alt=&quot;Google Base in the SEPS&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes when I search google base for Honda Accord Phoenix AZ is see a ton of cars including bell Honda.  </p>
<p>Also when I search autobase.com in Google Base I see thousands of listings.  That would imply that autobase is already distributing it for them.</p>
<p>Now when I search for Honda Accord Phoenix AZ in the google shopping search which is powered by google base I do not see any cars for Bell Honda or otherwise.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/products?q=Honda+Accord+Phoenix+AZ&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/products?q=Honda+Accord+Phoenix+AZ&#038;hl=en</a></p>
<p>People shopping on Google are going to use the shopping engine not drill down into google base to look for that elusive car.  </p>
<p>You can test all you want but until listings meet the guidelines they will not show in the search engine results pages or the shopping engine.</p>
<p>Get cars to populate like Axle Shafts then you have done something with value.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulrushing/3282111357/" title="Google Base in the SEPS by parushing, on Flickr" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/3282111357_97c754ce2a_o.png" width="464" height="272" alt="Google Base in the SEPS" /></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Pasch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Pasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me say that I disagree with your casual comment that all dealers are already posting their cars into Google Base. This is just a cheap shot when you know that all dealer platform providers do not offer that by default or without a charge.

The cars we post in Google Base do comply and do get listed. We have a fully compliant XML feed into Google Base.  No smoke at all and why you would claim otherwise is defamatory.  

You can see many cars from Bell Honda listed and active if you go into Google Base Vehicles search and type &quot;Honda Accord Phoenix AZ&quot;.  

As far as the benefit of Google Base long term, the jury is still out. Testing will continue.   

Secondly, you seem very focused on the definition of Automotive SEO and you also seem critical of my use of the term.  

To create an easier communication flor in our industry, I will start using the term Inventory Distribution when I speak about VAST, Craiglist and Google Base and not SEO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me say that I disagree with your casual comment that all dealers are already posting their cars into Google Base. This is just a cheap shot when you know that all dealer platform providers do not offer that by default or without a charge.</p>
<p>The cars we post in Google Base do comply and do get listed. We have a fully compliant XML feed into Google Base.  No smoke at all and why you would claim otherwise is defamatory.  </p>
<p>You can see many cars from Bell Honda listed and active if you go into Google Base Vehicles search and type &#8220;Honda Accord Phoenix AZ&#8221;.  </p>
<p>As far as the benefit of Google Base long term, the jury is still out. Testing will continue.   </p>
<p>Secondly, you seem very focused on the definition of Automotive SEO and you also seem critical of my use of the term.  </p>
<p>To create an easier communication flor in our industry, I will start using the term Inventory Distribution when I speak about VAST, Craiglist and Google Base and not SEO.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian you really need to read the guidelines before you claim that it is an automotive SEO tool when in fact dealers will not see results from google base unless it meets the guideline that have been set up.

Google uses google base to power its shopping engine.  Right now they are scrapping ebay listings into the their shopping engine.  The only way to get cars to show there are if the listings meet the guidelines ebay mets the guidelines.

The way you present it it looks authoritative and it is smoke.  You like to do your case studies as a marketing pitch.  Show me how much traffic dealers are gaining from this &quot;exposure&quot; from a reliable tracking source.

To submit items to google base is not rocket science and in fact almost ALL inventory providers export dealers inventory to the base.  So it is inventory distribution not SEO and it does not require any effort at all for the most part for dealers.

Just like my dealers that see huge benefits from my craigslist service, they get tremendous traffic and leads, it is still not seo it is inventory distribution.

The only benefit they see seo wise is when their craigslist and back page listings show in the SERPS because the listings are only temporary the links have ZERO SEO value.

So is craigslist a SEO tool?  Not at all it is a traffic and leads source.

Inventory distribution is marketing not automotive SEO.  

Misinforming people and disguising what they are already getting from another provider as a service is as unethical as ripping off charities and calling it fund raising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian you really need to read the guidelines before you claim that it is an automotive SEO tool when in fact dealers will not see results from google base unless it meets the guideline that have been set up.</p>
<p>Google uses google base to power its shopping engine.  Right now they are scrapping ebay listings into the their shopping engine.  The only way to get cars to show there are if the listings meet the guidelines ebay mets the guidelines.</p>
<p>The way you present it it looks authoritative and it is smoke.  You like to do your case studies as a marketing pitch.  Show me how much traffic dealers are gaining from this &#8220;exposure&#8221; from a reliable tracking source.</p>
<p>To submit items to google base is not rocket science and in fact almost ALL inventory providers export dealers inventory to the base.  So it is inventory distribution not SEO and it does not require any effort at all for the most part for dealers.</p>
<p>Just like my dealers that see huge benefits from my craigslist service, they get tremendous traffic and leads, it is still not seo it is inventory distribution.</p>
<p>The only benefit they see seo wise is when their craigslist and back page listings show in the SERPS because the listings are only temporary the links have ZERO SEO value.</p>
<p>So is craigslist a SEO tool?  Not at all it is a traffic and leads source.</p>
<p>Inventory distribution is marketing not automotive SEO.  </p>
<p>Misinforming people and disguising what they are already getting from another provider as a service is as unethical as ripping off charities and calling it fund raising.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Pasch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Pasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, since I&#039;m the person who you quote in your Google Base comments and I&#039;m not sure what &quot;Any consultant who claims this really needs to be watched all the way around&quot; really means, let me respond.

When I use the term &quot;Automotive SEO&quot; I speak of all ways in which car dealers can get their name and inventory presented on the Internet without PPC.  Google Base, Vast.com and Craigslist all offer free posting of dealer inventory that are included in my definition of Automotive SEO.

This is what Google states on their website: &quot;Google Base is a place where you can easily submit all types of online and offline content, which we&#039;ll make searchable on Google (if your content isn&#039;t online yet, we&#039;ll put it there). You can describe any item you post with attributes, which will help people find it when they do related searches. In fact, based on your items&#039; relevance, users may find them in their results for searches on Google Product Search and even our main Google web search.&quot;

At face value, this statement should interest any automotive marketing consultant.  It interested us because Google claims eventually Google Base will appear in search results which would be free and to me that&#039;s what SEO is all about.

The fact that some of these free services have live links and other do not is not a reason to say that they cannot effective.  For Google Base it is too early to judge where this platform is going.

A year ago not many people were talking about Craigslist for selling cars and now it’s a hot topic.  Google Base is still in BETA and if we can post cars into their system automatically and at little cost to see how things work for sale, why wouldn&#039;t we add it when we are already loading their inventory into a few other systems?

So, it may be that the word SEO is bothering you when Google Base is not indexing their pages into Google main index during it&#039;s BETA mode. However, people are using Google Base and searching their database.

If Google Base continues to grow in popularity, our clients will be there.  If it does not amount to anything, at least we tried.  

Automotive SEO is all about testing and measuring results and if Google Base is a bust, I&#039;ll be the first to say it when the Google Base system matures.  

Vast.com and Craigslist seem to be working well for many people so if we continue to test and measure, dealers will benefit.

Brian Pasch, CEO
Pasch Consulting Group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, since I&#8217;m the person who you quote in your Google Base comments and I&#8217;m not sure what &#8220;Any consultant who claims this really needs to be watched all the way around&#8221; really means, let me respond.</p>
<p>When I use the term &#8220;Automotive SEO&#8221; I speak of all ways in which car dealers can get their name and inventory presented on the Internet without PPC.  Google Base, Vast.com and Craigslist all offer free posting of dealer inventory that are included in my definition of Automotive SEO.</p>
<p>This is what Google states on their website: &#8220;Google Base is a place where you can easily submit all types of online and offline content, which we&#8217;ll make searchable on Google (if your content isn&#8217;t online yet, we&#8217;ll put it there). You can describe any item you post with attributes, which will help people find it when they do related searches. In fact, based on your items&#8217; relevance, users may find them in their results for searches on Google Product Search and even our main Google web search.&#8221;</p>
<p>At face value, this statement should interest any automotive marketing consultant.  It interested us because Google claims eventually Google Base will appear in search results which would be free and to me that&#8217;s what SEO is all about.</p>
<p>The fact that some of these free services have live links and other do not is not a reason to say that they cannot effective.  For Google Base it is too early to judge where this platform is going.</p>
<p>A year ago not many people were talking about Craigslist for selling cars and now it’s a hot topic.  Google Base is still in BETA and if we can post cars into their system automatically and at little cost to see how things work for sale, why wouldn&#8217;t we add it when we are already loading their inventory into a few other systems?</p>
<p>So, it may be that the word SEO is bothering you when Google Base is not indexing their pages into Google main index during it&#8217;s BETA mode. However, people are using Google Base and searching their database.</p>
<p>If Google Base continues to grow in popularity, our clients will be there.  If it does not amount to anything, at least we tried.  </p>
<p>Automotive SEO is all about testing and measuring results and if Google Base is a bust, I&#8217;ll be the first to say it when the Google Base system matures.  </p>
<p>Vast.com and Craigslist seem to be working well for many people so if we continue to test and measure, dealers will benefit.</p>
<p>Brian Pasch, CEO<br />
Pasch Consulting Group</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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