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		<title>By: David Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/next-generation-of-dealer-services-scams-social-media-training/comment-page-1/#comment-9397</link>
		<dc:creator>David Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 15:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hardest part of all this is to keep executives from being taken in by companies like this. When you work at one of a Five dealership groups and there are six management teams keeping them all out of the path of these quick talking &quot;experts&quot; is like running a day care. 

I&#039;m happy there are experts but the people trying to ride their coat tails need to grow up and provide something worth while to the automotive community. 

In the hunt to be on the cutting edge it takes a lot of time and effort to push the envelope and not everybody can. Those that offer tomorrow&#039;s solutions today are either the best at what they do or just plain spam material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hardest part of all this is to keep executives from being taken in by companies like this. When you work at one of a Five dealership groups and there are six management teams keeping them all out of the path of these quick talking &#8220;experts&#8221; is like running a day care. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy there are experts but the people trying to ride their coat tails need to grow up and provide something worth while to the automotive community. </p>
<p>In the hunt to be on the cutting edge it takes a lot of time and effort to push the envelope and not everybody can. Those that offer tomorrow&#8217;s solutions today are either the best at what they do or just plain spam material.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rushing</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/next-generation-of-dealer-services-scams-social-media-training/comment-page-1/#comment-7936</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Terral - Sorry you cannot see that I did not name the company or people personally who sent the spam email out.

I was not going to publish your reply because you did not identify yourself but with a little research I was able to gain your true identity and understand your scathing attitude.  

Your social media interactions in the past have always been antagonistic.

Your business model as a wannabe Tony Robbins is laudable but it is your chosen field - Good luck with that.

You have a direct tie with this misguided attempt.  Even in emails you sent me you used the term &quot;aspiring&quot; social media trainers.

I have never claimed my specialty as social media &quot;expert&quot;.  I am just a user of the medium.

&quot;Biggest baddest dog in the yard&quot; - Never want to be nor feel that I am.  The things my company does for dealers, we are at the top of the game, but we don&#039;t want to work with thousands or even hundreds of dealers.  Around 100 is the tipping point.

If you don&#039;t wish to identify yourself when you disagree with others and want to attack their credibility it&#039;s probably best that you just remain silent or grow a pair and use your name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Terral &#8211; Sorry you cannot see that I did not name the company or people personally who sent the spam email out.</p>
<p>I was not going to publish your reply because you did not identify yourself but with a little research I was able to gain your true identity and understand your scathing attitude.  </p>
<p>Your social media interactions in the past have always been antagonistic.</p>
<p>Your business model as a wannabe Tony Robbins is laudable but it is your chosen field &#8211; Good luck with that.</p>
<p>You have a direct tie with this misguided attempt.  Even in emails you sent me you used the term &#8220;aspiring&#8221; social media trainers.</p>
<p>I have never claimed my specialty as social media &#8220;expert&#8221;.  I am just a user of the medium.</p>
<p>&#8220;Biggest baddest dog in the yard&#8221; &#8211; Never want to be nor feel that I am.  The things my company does for dealers, we are at the top of the game, but we don&#8217;t want to work with thousands or even hundreds of dealers.  Around 100 is the tipping point.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t wish to identify yourself when you disagree with others and want to attack their credibility it&#8217;s probably best that you just remain silent or grow a pair and use your name.</p>
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		<title>By: Terral In Destin</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/next-generation-of-dealer-services-scams-social-media-training/comment-page-1/#comment-7821</link>
		<dc:creator>Terral In Destin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a sales manager, one of the main rules I live by and emphasize in my team (and my Network) is that &quot;trashing the competition&quot; merely to try and look good yourself is a bad idea because it can come back to haunt you.  Unless you&#039;ve had personal business dealings with the people you attacked,  the terms &quot;SCAM&quot; and &quot;CASH GRAB&quot; are likely misplaced - indeed, it makes you appear petty and mean-spirited.  You would have done better for your own image by simply highlighting your own knowledge, experience, and results, and stating why you hold an advantage over your competition, period.  Of course, your own results probably indicate that you are not the biggest, baddest dog in the yard and have some ways to go before you can make claims of being better than everybody else.  You&#039;re going to be wasting your life if you intend to make a flaming blog post about every human being who wants to break into your industry.  Remember - never jump in to the mud if you want to be the bright and shining example.  You&#039;ve got to have stronger character and a larger vision for your business than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a sales manager, one of the main rules I live by and emphasize in my team (and my Network) is that &#8220;trashing the competition&#8221; merely to try and look good yourself is a bad idea because it can come back to haunt you.  Unless you&#8217;ve had personal business dealings with the people you attacked,  the terms &#8220;SCAM&#8221; and &#8220;CASH GRAB&#8221; are likely misplaced &#8211; indeed, it makes you appear petty and mean-spirited.  You would have done better for your own image by simply highlighting your own knowledge, experience, and results, and stating why you hold an advantage over your competition, period.  Of course, your own results probably indicate that you are not the biggest, baddest dog in the yard and have some ways to go before you can make claims of being better than everybody else.  You&#8217;re going to be wasting your life if you intend to make a flaming blog post about every human being who wants to break into your industry.  Remember &#8211; never jump in to the mud if you want to be the bright and shining example.  You&#8217;ve got to have stronger character and a larger vision for your business than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rushing</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/next-generation-of-dealer-services-scams-social-media-training/comment-page-1/#comment-7804</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris - I could not agree with you more about Hype vs Substance.  That was really the whole purpose of the original post.  There is a lot of hype being thrown at dealers.

Participating in the social web is not a dealership activity, it is an activity &lt;b&gt;people&lt;/b&gt; at the dealership need to participate in to build their business, including the dealer..

No different than working a room, just venue has changed.

Your points in your previous comment were right on.  It&#039;s creating connections, interacting with them and becoming a trusted resource.

The devils in the details.

We all have our on ideas and opinions of how it should be accomplished.  I know what has &lt;b&gt;worked&lt;/b&gt; for me in the past when I was in a store and what has worked for me to build my business.

Could I write a playbook?  Maybe, but I don&#039;t consider myself a pro and I doubt many would listen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris &#8211; I could not agree with you more about Hype vs Substance.  That was really the whole purpose of the original post.  There is a lot of hype being thrown at dealers.</p>
<p>Participating in the social web is not a dealership activity, it is an activity <b>people</b> at the dealership need to participate in to build their business, including the dealer..</p>
<p>No different than working a room, just venue has changed.</p>
<p>Your points in your previous comment were right on.  It&#8217;s creating connections, interacting with them and becoming a trusted resource.</p>
<p>The devils in the details.</p>
<p>We all have our on ideas and opinions of how it should be accomplished.  I know what has <b>worked</b> for me in the past when I was in a store and what has worked for me to build my business.</p>
<p>Could I write a playbook?  Maybe, but I don&#8217;t consider myself a pro and I doubt many would listen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris-in-Buffalo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris-in-Buffalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I respect your opinion and you have the credentials to  back your success, but I see LITTLE profitability in the future of Social Marketing as it stands right now. What we (DEALERS) need is a provable path to emulate as to find the right message to send to out clients, and future customers. I see more HYPE than substance. I would appreciate your input!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I respect your opinion and you have the credentials to  back your success, but I see LITTLE profitability in the future of Social Marketing as it stands right now. What we (DEALERS) need is a provable path to emulate as to find the right message to send to out clients, and future customers. I see more HYPE than substance. I would appreciate your input!</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/next-generation-of-dealer-services-scams-social-media-training/comment-page-1/#comment-7795</link>
		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spamming? Not at all. By the way great blog, you have some great info on here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spamming? Not at all. By the way great blog, you have some great info on here!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rushing</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/next-generation-of-dealer-services-scams-social-media-training/comment-page-1/#comment-7794</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dave - Since you are the one doing this &quot;Training?&quot; I need to ask do you consider spamming social media sites as an effective way for dealers to utilize the medium?

If not - Why does your company utilize methods of promotion such as email spam?  (btw: Which is probably illegal)



@Ryan - Not as many updates here as I would like, working on a redesign now and having others from all over the country contribute content.  Let&#039;s catch up I am not hard to find..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dave &#8211; Since you are the one doing this &#8220;Training?&#8221; I need to ask do you consider spamming social media sites as an effective way for dealers to utilize the medium?</p>
<p>If not &#8211; Why does your company utilize methods of promotion such as email spam?  (btw: Which is probably illegal)</p>
<p>@Ryan &#8211; Not as many updates here as I would like, working on a redesign now and having others from all over the country contribute content.  Let&#8217;s catch up I am not hard to find..</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Gerardi</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/next-generation-of-dealer-services-scams-social-media-training/comment-page-1/#comment-7786</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Gerardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul last time I checked your blog it was out of date. Looks like you are re-kindling the fire. 

@Rob this is typical Paul Rushing style blogging, exposing the nonsense that is out there. It&#039;s a hard pill to swallow. If something crosses his screen you best hope the message is accurate and clear, otherwise this is what you get, which I think has been good for the auto industry as more and more automotive professionals pick up on the new mediums of communication on the Web. It keeps us all honest.

@Dave I really appreciate your comment tying together social media relationship building with real relationship building. In my experience I have found it difficult to establish new relationships via Social Media but the ones that were established this way tend to be pretty strong. Most of the people working for me today I met initially on the Web. Ironically, establishing dealership customers via Social Media has not been fruitful. Those relationships have required telephone and face-to-face appearances, which I think is an indication of the comfort zones with auto dealers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul last time I checked your blog it was out of date. Looks like you are re-kindling the fire. </p>
<p>@Rob this is typical Paul Rushing style blogging, exposing the nonsense that is out there. It&#8217;s a hard pill to swallow. If something crosses his screen you best hope the message is accurate and clear, otherwise this is what you get, which I think has been good for the auto industry as more and more automotive professionals pick up on the new mediums of communication on the Web. It keeps us all honest.</p>
<p>@Dave I really appreciate your comment tying together social media relationship building with real relationship building. In my experience I have found it difficult to establish new relationships via Social Media but the ones that were established this way tend to be pretty strong. Most of the people working for me today I met initially on the Web. Ironically, establishing dealership customers via Social Media has not been fruitful. Those relationships have required telephone and face-to-face appearances, which I think is an indication of the comfort zones with auto dealers.</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.ismintraining.com/marketing/next-generation-of-dealer-services-scams-social-media-training/comment-page-1/#comment-7781</link>
		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social Media is nothing new, not really. It&#039;s all about building relationships, its what us good car guys have been doing for years. The only difference now is that we have technology to help us along.  

So many car dealers are unsure about the idea because it has something to do with computers, the internet and something called Social Media but if we take all of that away it&#039;s still networking except now we are connected to even more people and we are in a virtual space.

I say all that because somebody that is a PRO at building real relationships has a jumpstart at being a PRO using social media. As with all sales the car business is about people and it always will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Media is nothing new, not really. It&#8217;s all about building relationships, its what us good car guys have been doing for years. The only difference now is that we have technology to help us along.  </p>
<p>So many car dealers are unsure about the idea because it has something to do with computers, the internet and something called Social Media but if we take all of that away it&#8217;s still networking except now we are connected to even more people and we are in a virtual space.</p>
<p>I say all that because somebody that is a PRO at building real relationships has a jumpstart at being a PRO using social media. As with all sales the car business is about people and it always will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Pasch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Pasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris-in-Buffalo

I guess we all have standards for the term &quot;pro&quot;.  For me, part of being a &quot;social media pro&quot; is someone that has tested their skills in many situations, locations and industries.  

Someone can get very good at social media in one place of business but there are so many things that compromise social media that would not be learned staying at one dealership.

Paul&#039;s point is well taken.  Someone who is out &quot;teaching&#039; social media should have a wide searchable paper trail on the Internet.  Someone running SM at a dealership would not necessarily have that direct link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris-in-Buffalo</p>
<p>I guess we all have standards for the term &#8220;pro&#8221;.  For me, part of being a &#8220;social media pro&#8221; is someone that has tested their skills in many situations, locations and industries.  </p>
<p>Someone can get very good at social media in one place of business but there are so many things that compromise social media that would not be learned staying at one dealership.</p>
<p>Paul&#8217;s point is well taken.  Someone who is out &#8220;teaching&#8217; social media should have a wide searchable paper trail on the Internet.  Someone running SM at a dealership would not necessarily have that direct link.</p>
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