This is based on a gentleman’s agreement he and I have made. I am upholding my end of it, I hope he does as well.

Nobody can win this, there’s nothing to win just endless debate.

Jim messed up got the emails from the bad source and didn’t send them the right way. Paul messed up and blogged about it unknowing that Jim would take it the wrong way. I messed up even getting sucked into this deal, we’re all car guys and we are all trying to close the sale.

Enough is Enough! I’m over it

Previous to this new optional email setup, we “de-linked” the published field that contained ADM member email addresses to display them as static text only and not a live hyperlink. This was to prevent certain types of software from being able to generate automated emails from what was published, had it been in a live link format. The new ADM member profile setup allows ADM members to choose what, if any, email address they want to publish for all ADM members to see, and then use either the same email address, or a different one for access by ADM administrators.

I also believe that this comment, the actions it represents and all the various related posts, comments, emails and phone callls that many of us saw or received are a good example of how the automotive digital marketing professionals who use blogs and communities like http://www.DrivingSales.com , http://ISMinTraining.com and http://www.AutomotiveDigitalMarketing.com are proactively impacting our entire industry in a positive manner. For those of you who are automotive internet marketing and sales “old timers”, to say we have come a long way since the days of posting liner ads on BBS’s is truly an understatement!

Ralph Paglia
rpaglia@gmail.com

I read Mr. Zeigler’s monthly article in Dealer magazine for its entertainment value. It is reminiscent of the daily diatribes of Rush Limbaugh…fairly humorous yet narcissistic to a fault. And while I am in total agreement with Larry that we all make mistakes, if you call yourself one of the “Masters of eMarketing”, you expose yourself to much deserved scrutiny…especially if you violate a rookie mistake of eMarketing like “Da’ Man” did. Since Mr. Zeigler is still a respected trainer and leader in our industry, I think it would be appropriate if he would issue a statement…an apology…something or anything from him and NOT one of his constituents. If he did it and did it quickly, I think it would be easier to accept that “‘Da Man” is just “a man” and makes mistkaes as we all do.

Keep up the great work Paul.

By the way, I also received the email and I live almost 7 hours from Atlanta.

I sent the Bastards, oops I’m sorry, the Masters of EMarketing an email last night pointing out how their email was not compliant with the Can Spam act and that I would like to opt out of any further emails from their company. At least now I know how they got my email address, I didn’t know I would need to hide my email address on ADM to escape spam. In my email last night I challenged them to see if they could get me fired for pointing out the facts to them, but I don’t think they will have much luck since my owner doesn’t have any clue who he is.

As for sending the emails to locations around the conference, you kind of have to give them a break, if they don’t know about the Can Spam act, how can you expect them to know about geography

Jon

After reading this thread I went back to the emails(yes plural) that I got from the EMarketing genius that has not heard of the Can Spam Act, I got two, one was from Kimberly and the other was from Abbey. I searched the emails for an opt out button or opt out instructions and couldn’t find anything. I personally don’t consider myself an EMarketing guru by any means, but I do know any email I send needs to have something adressing an opt out to keep myself legal.

Evidently your employer is very short sighted, I have not seen anything posted here that should have any bearing on your employment, you called someone out for abusing a social network and not having compliant emails, in fact your ex-employer should be happy that you know the laws and are keeping him from having legal action taken against him.

I unfortunatly saw “Da Man” speak once, the main message I took away from his session was that he wasn’t being paid enough to be there, but I guess he thought he could make that up by plugging his product the rest of the time.

Does anybody have a copy of the Can Spam act they can the Ziegler company to help them make their emails compliant?

Jon

Please take a second and look at at Mr. Ziegler’s last article in Dealer Magazine. Look how negative he is in his column and how many derogatory references me makes towards individuals. Look how he disparages people with reckless abandon.

Here for example is a little ditty from his July column, “Once again, if the dealers would come forward and produce the evidence, we certainly hurt this fool and punish the company. You dealers in Kansas, Missouri and Iowa could probably even tell me this moron’s name if I were to ask.(Notice I said “moron” to be polite, actually, I was thinking “rat-bastard.”)

If you want to talk about anybody “running down” anyone, please address Mr. Ziegler and not Paul Rushing. I know you are defending your fiend, but you cannot defend the indefeasible.

In your own words you just described Mr. Ziegler as, “The lowest form of web presence far below spammers.”